KGP La Grande

[Lindbergh]

Ok, jag dyker upp ändå vid 18-tiden i morgon som det ser ut just nu så kan vi planera lite och kanske förbereda? Måste kolla lite regler igen om detta med NVR och vad vi sagt...lär mig aldrig detta...Tolkar NVR som att det är becksvart då det är overcast och månfasen?

Tänkte vi kanske kunde leta efter ett helgdatum i december sedan, då alla kan vara med (Stoumont) och sitta och slö-lira?

[Ivar]

Nej Stefan gjorde inga inköp. Nästa vecka blir fint. Krya på dig!
Jag dyker upp imorgon lars men nog vid 18:30-1900

[carlsson]

Ang NVR:

PCG5. CG NIGHT SCENARIO: The NVR of a CG Night scenario is determined using E1.11 and the historical Moon Phase and Cloud Cover given in the 8.617 chart.

Cloud Cover har vi sagt att vi slår för.
Det är dock No Moon på samtliga kartor.

E1.11:NVR MODIFIER
         Moon Phase
Cloud Cover     No   Half     Full
None         0   +1   +2
Scattered      -1   0   +1
Overcast      -2   -1   0
This NVR Modifier is added to 3 to determine the Base NVR for the first Player Turn of the DYO scenario.

På Cheneux är det t ex No Moon, och None Cloud Cover. 0+3= NVR3.

Inga konstigheter va?

[Ivar]

Klart som korvspad! Trodde bara inte det kunde vara så otäckt som NVR 1 på Stumount...

[Ivar]

Nu har jag läst lite nattregler... Och om jag förstår det hela rätt så kan man inte lägga IR samtidigt som starshells under motståndarens movementfas utan detta görs tydligen i början av Defensive fire fasen. Kollat runt lite på forum som säger samma sak. Känns som det har spelats fel på detta.

[carlsson]

Nu har jag läst lite nattregler... Och om jag förstår det hela rätt så kan man inte lägga IR samtidigt som starshells under motståndarens movementfas utan detta görs tydligen i början av Defensive fire fasen. Kollat runt lite på forum som säger samma sak. Känns som det har spelats fel på detta.

Första gången man lägger Starshells/IR så får man göra det som reaktion på fiendens förflyttningar. Efter det måste det dock ske innan MPh börjar eller som första action i DFPh.

Men menar du att man skiljer på IR och Starshells i detta?

[Lindbergh]

Ja, i de flesta fall skiljer man på IR/starshells och när vi pratade om detta noterade Ivar att det stod tydligt men att reglerna inte använder IR/starshells konsekvent som begrepp...

Det är alltså bara i MPh som man får använda Starshells (lyspistol/närlys/mellanlys) som DEFENDER och då i början. Först under DFPh får jag "kalla in" IR via granatkastare eller OBA, sedan vill jag minnas att man fick försöka få Starshells och detta görs i stort sett som första handling, sedan kommer exvis OBA.

Det följer en viss logik och det kan vara att vi har spelat fel. IR  får ju en viktig roll för bägge under natten...

[Ivar]

Läste dessutom på nåt forum att ledare inte begränsas av att lägga i början av fasen men det måste jag kolla upp.

[carlsson]

Mycket hypoteser, här är reglerna!

1.9 ILLUMINATION: Illumination can occur via Starshells/IR or Fires—none of which create daylight conditions. Night rules remain in effect in an Illuminated Location [EXC: Cloaking/"?"is lost more readily (1.31); an Illuminated Location is treated as being within the NVR of all units that otherwise have a LOS to it; Illuminated units can see only Gunflashes and into Illuminated Locations; 1.101].
     
1.91 INITIAL USE: No Starshells/IR may be fired in a scenario until one of three events has occurred:

- while the friendly force has no motorized vehicle onboard an enemy motorized vehicle changes its hex or its VCA within 16 hexes of a friendly unit that is currently capable of firing a Starshell/IR (or Spotting/Observing for an IR-capable firer) and fires a Starshell/IR; or
- a friendly unit currently capable of firing a Starshell/IR (or Spotting/Observing for an IR-capable firer) has a LOS to an enemy unit and fires a Starshell/IR; or
- a Gunflash is placed due to an enemy FFE or an attack vs an enemy unit.

Once a Starshell/IR has been fired, both sides are free to fire either type (within applicable restrictions).
     
1.92 STARSHELLS: Starshells may be fired in either the PFPh or Defensive First Fire/DFPh by the player performing that phase's functions (placement during Defensive First Fire can occur without seeing a moving enemy unit). In the allowable phase, one attempt to fire a Starshell may be made per hex by one friendly leader, one friendly CE AFV, or one friendly MMC in that hex.

1.921 USAGE RESTRICTIONS: A unit must be in Good Order and neither Aerial nor in a pillbox nor pinned nor TI to fire a Starshell. Before a leader (including a CE Armor Leader) can fire a Starshell during that Player Turn, he must first make a Usage dr (Δ) of ≤ 4. Before a CE AFV with no Armor Leader, or a MMC, can fire a Starshell, it must first make a Usage dr (Δ) of ≤ 2.12 In addition, after the Player Turn in which the first Starshell/IR of the scenario is fired, any unit [EXC: a leader] that fires a Starshell must do so at the start of the PFPh/enemy MPh before the ATTACKER commences firing/moving during that phase. Firing a Starshell (only) has no effect on the firer's ability to perform other actions, and does not cause a Gunflash or loss of the firer's concealment [EXC: a hidden or Cloaked unit that fires a Starshell must be placed on board beneath a "?"]. A Starshell cannot be fired from inside an Interior Building Hex/subterranean Location, nor can it Illuminate such.
     
1.922 PLACEMENT: A player has three choices after his unit passes its Starshell Usage dr, but must announce his choice before making the Starshell/IR placement dr/DR.
He can initially place the Starshell in its firer's hex; he then makes a Random Direction dr (B.8 ) and moves the Starshell one hex in that direction, which is its final placement hex.
If the Starshell firer has a LOS to a Gunflash, or to a Known enemy unit that is < nine hexes away from the firer, he can initially place the Starshell either in that target's hex or along the firer's LOS to it; in both cases the Starshell's maximum initial placement range is six hexes from the firer. He then makes a Random Direction DR, with the white Extent of Error dr halved (FRU), to find the Starshell's final placement hex. After this method has been declared, a free LOS check can be made; if no LOS exists, then method 3 must be used to fire the Starshell.
He can initially place the Starshell in any hex that is exactly three hexes away from the firer. He then makes a Random Direction DR (with no halving of the white Extent of Error dr) to find the Starshell's final placement hex.
     
1.923 EFFECTS & DURATION: A Starshell Illuminates all non-subterranean and non-Interior building Locations [EXC: Dense-Jungle (G2.2)/Bamboo] within three hexes (even vs Aerial counters) even if it is placed offboard. Temporarily butt any unused board to the map edge to mark the placement of an offboard Starshell. Starshells are removed at the end of each CCPh after placement of "?".
     
1.93 ILLUMINATING ROUNDS (IR): IR may be fired only via Indirect Fire, and only by OBA/onboard mortars that have IR listed as an available ammo type.

1.931 USAGE: No Usage dr is necessary for OBA to fire IR. However, the firer of an onboard mortar must make a Usage dr of ≤ 4 before he can fire an IR (failure of which is not considered firing), and in order to fire it he must make a To Hit DR (only to check for malfunction/Low-Ammo/SAN). Firing one IR uses all of a mortar's/OBA's ROF for that Player Turn; therefore, neither type of firer may use another ammo type during a Player Turn in which it fires an IR (when an onboard mortar fires an IR, cover the mortar with a No Fire counter). An onboard mortar firing an IR (or malfunctioning) does cause a Gunflash (and can cause loss of concealment as per the normal rules for that weapon). When OBA is used to fire an IR, the owning player must still have Radio Contact and Battery Access, but FFE:1/2/C status is kept track of offboard (for Battery Access purposes), and each chit used solely to fire IR is reshuffled into the pile when that Fire Mission is completed. OBA fires IR in the same fashion as a SR—never as a FFE. IR Missions must be declared prior to the Mission's first Battery Access draw.
     
1.932 PLACEMENT: If the mortar/Spotter/Observer has a LOS to a Gunflash/Known enemy unit, method 2 of 1.922 may be used to place the IR. [EXC: The maximum initial placement range (six hexes) and maximum range to the Known enemy unit (nine hexes) of method 2 do not apply to IR. An onboard mortar must have its initial placement hex within its normal range limits (C2.25).] Otherwise, method 3 of 1.922 is used [EXC: instead of placing the IR three hexes away from the firer, it is placed in any hex (within the mortar's normal range) that is exactly six (or some whole multiple of six) hexes away from the mortar/Spotter/Observer]. A mortar's To Hit DR automatically results in IR placement unless it malfunctions, in which case the IR is not placed. The initial placement hex of an IR fired by an onboard mortar does not have to be in the mortar's CA and the CA cannot change as a result of firing IR.

1.933 EFFECTS & DURATION: An IR Illuminates all non-subterranean and non-Interior Building Locations [EXC: Dense-Jungle/Bamboo; G2.3] within six hexes. It is otherwise treated like a Starshell (1.923).
     
1.94 FIRES: All Blazes cast an Illuminated Zone whose range from the Blaze's hex is equal to twice the number of Blazing levels (excluding Rooftops) in that hex. A hex containing a Blaze is Illuminated at all levels (even vs Aerial counters), as is any hex within the Blaze's Illuminated Zone [EXC: Blind Hexes; 1.941]. Fires may not be deliberately set at night unless allowed by SSR. Any attempt to Kindle a Fire automatically causes loss of the Kindler's concealment and a Gunflash if within the LOS of any Good Order enemy ground unit-regardless of range.
     
1.941 SHADOWS: Terrain obstacles of ≥ one level within the Illuminated Zone of a Blaze cause quasi-Blind Hexes in the sense that the obstacle blocks the Illumination of those hexes. Any such LOS obstacle in a Blaze's Illuminated Zone therefore creates a non-illuminated hex(es) behind it, just as if each Blaze counter were instead a viewing unit whose LOS to those hexes was blocked by that obstacle.
     
1.942 FLAME: A Flame Illuminates only its own Location.

[carlsson]

Detta innebär i praktiken att IR är jävligt kass.

Här är en tråd i ämnet:
http://forums.gamesquad.com/showthread.php?8924-Holy-Crap!!-Many-have-been-playing-IR-s-wrong!-(Perry-sez)

[Ivar]

Vilken del är det som stipulerar att IR bara skjuts i defensive Fire? Jag lyckas inte uttolka detta. Förstår att det är så men fattar inte vilket styck i vilken paragraf. Känner mig lite dum...

[carlsson]

Vilken del är det som stipulerar att IR bara skjuts i defensive Fire? Jag lyckas inte uttolka detta. Förstår att det är så men fattar inte vilket styck i vilken paragraf. Känner mig lite dum...

DFPh eller PFPh.

Å andra sidan: Man borde kunna skjuta IR som Defensive First Fire, eller hur?

[Brain]

Då jag blev stormförkyld i slutet av förra veckan är min närvaro 13/12 ej helt säker.
Har samtalat med Land, han skall fixa inköpen 13/12 och ni skall kunna deklarera attack/idle.

[Lindbergh]

Ok, krya på dig - hade min superförkylning i tre veckor!

Ansluter runt 18-idag som det ser ut just nu...

[Lindbergh]

Annan konstig fråga - stämmer det att jänkarna har WP-granater för sina MMC fast att man slår ett lägre - en 1st line 6-6-7 har rökexponent på 3, ergo WP på 2?

Har nog missat detta 

nu när det kommer bli strid i ort kan det ju vara kul att hysta in en WP på ett "?"

Och, är det "6" på den färgade tärningen i NMC som det blir CH, exvis i ovanstående scen?